[quote=@thewizardguy] I would like to interject with two statements. First, a collective verbal hug. It seems there are upset people, and there should not be. Nobody should be blaming people. [/quote] You're new here, so you might not really get the memo. But blaming other people for failing to meet expectations or not seeing eye-to-eye is par on course here. "Compromise" is made when "Communication" is done, which is being tenuously engaged here. For better or for worse. [quote=@thewizardguy] Overall it seems to me like people feel like their characters aren't being useful. So I recommend the player caste finds something really big and ugly (maybe Helena? Not sure how strong she's supposed to be) and beat the crap out of it. Big fight, lots of people, and one of the big bad vassal-tier beings actually being defeated. Or at least damaged. [/quote] Well of course, that's what's going on IC right now. Or at least attempted, in some cases. The only problem is that the ones we do wanna fight we either can't logically get to (Could I just teleport to Helena?) or are at least another player, so one-shotting them is a big no-no. And we'll just be jacking off on the track if we imagine up some big baddie from our past that our character eventually defeats on their own terms, because it's easy to beat yourself off. Trying to jerk around someone else on the other hand is the hard part.