[quote=@Archmage MC] [@Lord Wraith] To be fair, unless a hero comes around that can basically cream Superman with him having almost no hope of winning WITHOUT using kryptonite, AND said hero becomes as mainstream as Batman/Superman/WW/Cyborg/ext while also being countered by one or two of those heroes as hard as they counter Superman, Superman is just a better villain than a hero. Hes just too strong otherwise. Marvel is way better at hero balance than DC. You could lose Superman from DC and not lose much, and infact everything would be better as heroes would counter heroes and such and no hero would feel so super domineering in-universe as it does now. Sure Batman would still be top billing, but people are ok with him since lots of heroes can beat him 1v1. [/quote] It isn't that Superman cannot be beaten. There are several superheroes who can beat Superman one-on-one: Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter, Dr. Manhattan, Flash, (though he's not a hero) Doomsday, etc. Superman's perceived invincibility has more to do with him being the golden boy of DC and comics in general than his actual power. Spectre, Etrigon, Constaintine, Orion, Darksied, Firestorm--there are a litany of heroes who are more than capable of defeating Superman. Even in the comics, there is little that can make one sympathetic to Superman's position. He becomes a totalitarian and a dictator. If creators were to invert Superman's character to the [i]Injustice[/i] incarnation in the comics (where he uses heat vision to murder two hundred people, blows up Darkseid's son, kills Green Arrow, has Szaz carry out a hit on Alfred (yes, [i]the[/i] Alfred Pennyworth) among other things), few would find sympathy or empathy for the golden child.