[quote=@pugbutter] Well, yeah...being ridiculously good-looking is one of the major elements of Mary Suedom. [/quote] Let's delve into some criticism, shall we? It must've occurred to you, at some point, that the idea of people roleplaying fantasy stories on an online forum is closely connected to self-insertion. It's quite a significant step from Fan Fiction to Escapism. Knowing that, doesn't it seem counter productive to be frustrated with the concept of 'Mary Sue'? What you are saying is that any character that is attractive is partially a Mary Sue, and therefore illegitimate regardless of its other aspects. There are quite a few other factors that must be met before you can call a character a Mary Sue: lack of flaws, wide range of expertise, dramatic or tragic backstory that hasn't affected the character, natural magnetism that makes the most anti-social characters open up as books. Not to mention that the idea of 'Mary Sue' plays into the current, left-wing political craze whereby a character isn't legitimate unless it's a deformed, LGTBQ+, African-Chinese, Demi-Pansexual unicorn attack helicopter.