[quote=@Flamelord] Nobody said you had to give the coin willingly ;) [/quote] It does basically say that you'd have to be dead for it to be taken from you though, which is why I was so excited when I thought up collecting them as motivation for someone. Easy way to sow conflict without just looping back to the main plot. [quote=@t2wave] [@DarkwolfX37][@Flamelord][@Ariamis] I'm just thinking, you wouldn't need to keep the coin out of other people's hands if it couldn't be taken from you. The description on the drawbacks imply that the Mint has more than just one thing over their magical girls. The plural is used several times and it is what they use to coerce the behavior they want. Otherwise they wouldn't select that person because they would have no influence over them. You get one black coin so they must have something else on you or you're no use to the Mint. Also the Mint will do things to put you in a poor position so you will need their help some way or another and further build debt. I doubt the Mint, given their power and influence, would allow such a simple loophole break their system. They play by their own rules and bend them as necessary. We're not talking about the Beacon here. I suppose if a magical girl has lost their usefulness to them they could alway let it go. [/quote] I think that was implying that there's either a limited number of Black Coins that exist or that at least Magical Girls outside the inner workings of the Mint think that there are. I guess I just don't agree with that conclusion? Giving someone a black coin itself is putting "something else" on you for them. Simply telling someone "that person has a black coin" could cause problems for that person. And yes, the putting someone in a poor position so they need help is part of what I'm including in the "initial debt" of the coin. I also really am just missing where this "simple loophole" is. I tried to explain it in a way that would show that it should be totally impossible to "pay off" a coin, since having one means the Mint is going to be using their tactics to put you in never-ending debt. I tried to imply that the only way to pay off having a coin is if the Mint doesn't know you have one and you build up enough credit and favors with them by working for them without needing their resources that when they find out, you can just call all that in and have them say you're even until you use the coin for power. I'm sorry if I'm explaining this poorly or if I left out something in the post that didn't make this apparent. I don't see what about it is "easy" or "simple," unless I totally messed up with the post. Either way, sorry for the trouble over this.