[@NuttsnBolts] Pug has already addressed the whole "j8cob would have gotten worse" thing, so I'll go on to talk about other points made. "I'm not the one who started it!" Yet, don't you find it hypocritical you're condemning one person over tactics she used when you used it too? "I didn't start it" excuse isn't really a compelling one. You willingly took part in these so called tactics you supposedly are against. You perpetuated this "battle of site politics." Thus, you share blame as well. Regardless of "who started it". If you followed your own advice, would you have not DM'd the people who were "exposed" and asked them for context? Because I don't recall you doing that. Nor did I ever get a DM asking me whether I actually had a lust for power/"upset over the supposed official discord". Nor did I get a DM from my first post in babycrib asking me to take it to "official channels". You might argue I would have never found out, but if I remember correctly inkarnate took screens in Valhalla and you didn't rebuke him for a use of a tactic you claim is causing a "battle of site politics"? Valhalla was a private community at the time, so isn't this exactly what you're condemning now? And pug didn't get his apology until recently, if this thread never happened would you have apologized? I don't know for sure because I don't know what made you apologize a week later, but for some reason I highly doubt you would have if this didn't come to light on this thread. [i][b]*misjudged the time pug went without an apology. said weeks, when it was about 10 days. changed in last sentence.[/b][/i]