[quote=@Inkarnate] Released them to Cynder (Cyndyr?) by her request and we had a long storied conversation where we discussed it, actually. I did so publicly in the site’s official discord channel where my argument could be countered, debated, or challenged. I do not have interest in airing dirty laundry in the open with no relative parties involved. [/quote] Barring in mind that supposedly at that time I never visited that part of the official discord or after I was banned? I never saw it anywho and I don't care to see it. [quote] Perhaps you never would’ve been muted/banned if you did not use combative rhetoric? But you’re right I do “know better” as I’ve been involved left, center, and right of the fence on this. I agree with you that people shouldn’t be banned over inane causes but what you think is inane, what I think is inane, and what the staff thinks is inane are all different things. I have personal opinions that actually support “your side” in the appeal of J8cob and Nyt, by the way. I just am not in support of this spectacle and other factors unrelated to the “unjust ban” issue that from what I know started with Mahz making the ruling solely. I agree with Arena that we will be talking in circles unless Mahz comes back from his absence recovered from his sickness. [/quote] Ah, but see, if I deleted your comment 3 times without telling you, never privately approached you to stop and merely did away with a blanket covering of 'plz stop' you'd probably find yourself using ''''''combative rhetoric'''''''' too. I thought the moderators were the paragons and big boys and they could take it. Evidently I was wrong. We need to cherish and nourish them and make sure to use the carrot, not the stick. Above all we should pair every critique with a compliment to make them feel happy and fuzzy inside about themselves. They're adults with a position of authority, not children, Inkarnate. I don't need to be nice or friendly. I did not insult them. My rhetoric was at best sarcastic. If that offended the person that banned me then reconsider their position, not my rhetoric. The final line that got me banned was 'In the end it took a retired mod to do the job'. Enlighten me where the fault is, Inkarnate. Prove your right. I didn't critique your opinion. Or what you said. I said it was stupid to think that was possible at that point, which I know you know. There was a [i]very[/i] select moment all of this drama started, even before the Official discord was made. I'd like your opinion on when you think this all started. Anyone else is free to answer that too.