[quote=@Gareth] we cant have conversation if we dont care about each other. [/quote] I care about others which is exactly why I think someone should be mature enough to not be "hurt" after reading Hillan's post because considering the nature of the thread such stuff to raise "feelings" will repeat/rise again. Oh and I did join """the talk at large," unwillingness to read is an indictment of the other party rather than me, and your whining also detracts from "the talk at large" so don't white knight plox