[quote=@Inkarnate]Did anyone target people beyond the blacklist by my memory? I don’t think so. But I didn’t say they went beyond their server and antagonized anyone directly.[/quote]

To clarify this blacklist: it was a 'project' that I did not agree with but was willing to host for the purpose of seeing if it did anything at all in terms of helping people avoid others. This was not for OOC grievances and I took great care to ensure that the only reason people could get placed on there was if there was any risk of them being a nuisance in an RP environment. I repeatedly left people off of this 'blacklist' because I felt the reasons were personal, not objectively due to RP experience. 

An example I can give was I put a user on the blacklist that couldn't take no for an answer, and got upset emotionally when people declined her infinite requests for a roleplay leading up to suicide threats. I found that to be an objectively rational and reasonable reason to put someone on the blacklist.

An example of someone I didn't put on there was when someone brought forward evidence of someone being a bit of a twat and after reviewing the person's evidence, I decided that yes, the user was being a bit of a twat but keeping in mind the context I decided that this wasn't really worth a blacklisting because of caveat emptor, but also because it just wasn't that serious. It looked like personal grievance, not a legit complaint, and thus I didn't want it in my server.

I feel like your critique then is a bit dismissive of what it actually was, as if you looked at the title and decided 'blacklist' meant we simply put everyone we didn't like on there to publicly shame them.

You'll find that is a mistake and that RPG's hall of fame is more like a public hall of shame. :lol 

I hope I clarified what it was. I deleted it now because like I said, I didn't really see the merit and after hosting it it fell out of use because the idea was less good than people originally thought it'd be. 



[quote]My point is Valhalla impact on the community is distinct and measureable, not that it has made a conspiracy to attack users beyond its inner confines and should be 'shut down' or some other sentiment. Your central idea was that it is just a chatroom with users to talk about the staff of the site, no?[/quote]

Let me speak here as the owner of the server. The server was originally made as an off site hangout for my friends, from RPG and off of RPG. There was and is no relation to RPG beyond the fact that some members (most) come from RPG. The intent of my server however has nothing to do with RPG, and that includes 'talking about the staff'. If people perceive it to be that and thus join for that, that is not my concern, because they'll find that the server is more than that.

Yes, it happens to be that most banned people/critical people have treated my server as a sort of refuge to say things they can't say elsewhere. Treating that as the core of Valhalla is your mistake, not ours, because that's not what the server is about regardless of if that's how it's treated by some. Similarly that is their mistake, not ours.

Nor is it supposed to be a closed server where 'the guild terrorists' can meet, twist their mustaches and prepare terrorist strikes on the cities and streets of RPG. There's a reason I made it open to all. You know that. There's a reason why I let Hank into my server to assist him at some point to investigate claims made by a member of the server.

It's not because I want to bad mouth the admins. If I did, then I'd have kicked RomanAria and the person that keeps screenshotting things and sending it to you long ago. I am well aware of who enters my server and who is doing what behind the scenes. I'm not blind nor am I stupid. 

[quote]Ultimately, after re-reading all of this I have come to the conclusion that I have no fucking idea how I went from [i]How do you think Valhalla impacts the site[/i] to effectively answers [i]Why do you think Valhalla is issue[/i]. You did not ask me that question and I just sort of loosely answered your question before misdirecting it which is an asinine tactic that is not only idiotic but intellectually dishonest. While I still believe what I believe there is no explanation or excuse for that kind of misdirect.

Apologies.[/quote]

Nobody cares. Like you said. 'Valhalla' is not a topic worthy of discussion, which perhaps leads me to question why it was brought up to Mahz in the grand scheme of things, but honestly, none of the moderators have ever asked me about my server so it has lead me to believe that they, as a whole, agreed that my server is entirely uninteresting to RPG as a whole. Of course, there's a moderator presence now, but it hasn't stopped us from saying what we want to say. If anything it has made the time spent in my server for that mod slightly more unbearable, lol.

[quote]With that, I’d like to publicly clarify and correct something Hillan inferred – that I’m projecting feelings of members. I do not currently have any feelings about the people involved only actions done retrospectively. I have no problems with Odin or his friends and acquaintances despite misdirecting in a discussion when I should not have. Just because I criticize it does not mean I am currently in discontent; same with people here who have constructively had issues with staff policy. Beyond that, I am glad this is all sorted out and the only reason I replied is I said I would respond to points directed at me in the name of equal dialogue. [u]If anyone wants to continue this discussion it probably would be better suited away from the thread as I much like everyone else do not want to deconstruct the work done here from [i]all sides[/i] to effectively end the issues present. My PM and DM boxes are [i]open.[/i] I will not ignore them.[/u]
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The discussion is entirely irrelevant and I don't feel like it's gonna warrant another discussion because I don't think there are questions between us about the meaning of Valhalla. I think I clarified what Valhalla is and isn't.