[quote=@Andreyich] That's an indictment of Trump as a poor President (dont hurt me mdk) though, not of anything else [/quote] As a history major who's taken multiple courses and written essays on the civil war, I can tell you now I know that a lot of leftists are into the mob mentality and don't deign to look up facts. Like how Robert E. Lee freed his slaves, petitioned for african americans to gain a good education after the war, and the south would have abolished slavery due to industrialization in 20 years anyway. But instead you have people with no historical studies commenting on the civil war as if they've got a degree. However, because of that huge mentality that as long as there's millions of them they'll think they're right, it's just hard to talk to them about much of anything until stuff has calmed down. At least we can agree that Trump could have handled that better.