[@The Harbinger of Ferocity] okay, thanks for your input, very well articulated.

But Cat-Man for the sake of this thread maybe you don't have to assert again that you  aren't a racist or that some short sighted people on the left have called you a racist before, because as far as this thread goes I dont think one person (apart from maybe Ace of Hearts, but look what happened to her/him) has called you anything of the sort.  We have both praised the people who frequent this thread as open minded individuals who can sit on either ends of the spectrum and have a discussion without name-calling. So as far as the people in this group lets the audience the benefit of the doubt, there is nothing about your beliefs you have to qualify, they all sound pretty moderate to me.