"Extra points if you use a ton of unnecessary verbiage to pad out the argument." Oh? Were you expecting an apology from me about the way I speak, let alone type, or implying that should I change it? I wish you good luck in your hopes - try not to hold your breath in awaiting it to change. Many have, they've failed all the same. No less, I willingly choose to be excessively clear, to a purposeful fault. Thus if anyone walked away with the belief I assumed [@Dynamo Frokane] was or is a stereotypical Leftist, or another member, based on this past conversation then that is hilariously wrong. Yet... if you really want my opinion in bullet format, I will nail that down for you if all you do is ask, but rest assured it is bound to not make much sense. Regardless, the assumptions I make on those present here, let alone anyone else, are based on a totality of what I know about them or the angle they are approaching with. In short, if you are one of those who has a habit of irritating me, yes, I will try even better to understand you so as to purposefully dismantle you and your argument; even more if I find you have no actual argument. I have admitted to this tactic when we were discussing some of our more problematic users in the past. But in general, until you get down to the very specifics and details, it is regularly hard to really ascertain and understand a person's opinion on anything; one word or phrase might mean many different things to others. For example, I certainly did not expect my phrase, "I immediately ignored it..." to go off in the angle it did with the rest of the conversation, let alone all of that about Allsup; that was a misunderstanding, which is fair and bound to happen inevitably. I am not frothing at the mouth that I kept rewording what I was saying. As for losing points or not following ones you might value, that's usually accidental. The only time I do so intentionally is if I am pressed for time. "Wouldn't it just be easier to write less?" Yes, yes it would, but compulsions, especially those subconscious, are difficult to break; I was not joking when I said many have tried to break me out of my peculiar methods in speech or writing. It only goes back to the earlier point that if I miss something, or you would just rather not read it, just request it of me. I am going to oblige how I can, even if I am not fond of you or your philosophy. I am not actively out to accuse anyone of any specific political policies and any of my opposition to opinion is not an attack on your person either, it is just a contrary, if that, point of view. My apologies interrupting the sexual orientation robots. This is the internet after all, so I am aware just how important this might actually be.