[quote=@Penny]If it is eugenics to try to avoid genetic diseases, then all those gene therapy trials are in trouble. Frankly I hope we are one day able to edit out such genetic defects, although we have a considerable way to go.[/quote]

You're right, it's just.... it's hard for me [i]not[/i] to connect this dot back to myself. If a baby is born with one leg, well, that's gonna cost you [i]money[/i], better just kill it. Hard for me not to react to that. And like I said, I'm [u]not[/u] talking about a ban on abortion in general -- just with regards to this post-birth murder concept. Sparta used to do that

[quote]According to the article the Netherlands alreay has such a list:[/quote]

Indeed. And it's a very specifically-targeted list which basically amounts to a mercy kill -- again I don't think anybody's [i]happy[/i] about that, but it's reasonable. 

[quote]Ah the old fetus/car loan equivalency. Seriously? How is this even remotely similar? You didn't borrow the fetus from someone...unless ... you DID?![/quote]

You borrow it from JEBUS. Naw, again, I'm talking about actual born babies which are alive. I think people who kill their pets because they're too expensive are assholes -- people who kill their actually-born living human baby, [b]because of money[/b], I mean..... I'm having a hard time characterizing that beyond "monstrous." 

[quote]I suppose it is something that should be left up to the mothers but I personally would never be comfortable euthanizing a healthy newborn.[/quote]

I dunno, once it's actually born, I don't think it's up to the mother anymore. Everything up until that point, there's a legitimate conflict of rights between the fetus and the mother, and legally speaking you can make an argument either way -- but once born, that conflict goes away. We owe that baby the world and everything in it, and no one should be allowed to just kill it (barring that honestly pretty reasonable Netherlands standard of "Suffering forever with no hope of improvement").