[quote=@mdk] You're right, it's just.... it's hard for me [i]not[/i] to connect this dot back to myself. If a baby is born with one leg, well, that's gonna cost you [i]money[/i], better just kill it. Hard for me not to react to that. And like I said, I'm [u]not[/u] talking about a ban on abortion in general -- just with regards to this post-birth murder concept. Sparta used to do that Indeed. And it's a very specifically-targeted list which basically amounts to a mercy kill -- again I don't think anybody's [i]happy[/i] about that, but it's reasonable. You borrow it from JEBUS. Naw, again, I'm talking about actual born babies which are alive. I think people who kill their pets because they're too expensive are assholes -- people who kill their actually-born living human baby, [b]because of money[/b], I mean..... I'm having a hard time characterizing that beyond "monstrous." I dunno, once it's actually born, I don't think it's up to the mother anymore. Everything up until that point, there's a legitimate conflict of rights between the fetus and the mother, and legally speaking you can make an argument either way -- but once born, that conflict goes away. We owe that baby the world and everything in it, and no one should be allowed to just kill it (barring that honestly pretty reasonable Netherlands standard of "Suffering forever with no hope of improvement"). [/quote] Shockingly I actually agree with everything you say here. I'm sure that a baby being born with one leg wouldn't qualify under the standards the Netherlands are using. That being said if the first ultrasound at ten weeks showed a baby that wasn't developing normally, I don't think it is unfair for the mother to consider aborting. The point the authors are making is it is a little trite to say 1 day before birth you can terminate and one day afterwards you cannot because there is functionally no difference. That is a fair ethical argument to have. Most of the article is spinning out the ethical implications of existing norms rather than any sort of recommendation. They explicitly don't consider adoption because it isn't really relevant to the question at hand.