In the interest of giving you all the numbers you crave for so desperately, and easy my burden in having to think over this stuff, here's a chart that some of you people must find interesting: [hider=Chart-y CHart] [center][img]https://i.imgur.com/abXSMTK.jpg[/img][/center] [/hider] As you can see, in four more of Victoire's posts, the roses will have taken all of the battlefield. Also, if anyone is curious, I've finally found out the epic D&D spell which I used as a rough base for the Demon Roses as a whole: [url][u]https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Verdigris_Tsunami[/u][/url]. I just didn't have a copy of the Epic Level Handbook at hand, so remembering the name of that spell was a damn bother. All things grated, I could even construct the roses spell using actual D&D rules but this doesn't mind at all here. Also don't care for numbers, almost anyone in the RP can break a building with an attack with relatively easy, that's the comparison you should be doing. The thing is that it's not even half as much op as most of you seen to think, it's just D&D level, which I can safely say that is far weaker than Nexus level, even at very high ends of the epic or divine scales of power. If this was D&D, I'd say that pretty much everyone in the Nexus is close to or above level 100, to explain their absurdities. The powers that be are just about Hindu Mythology in terms of power level, but this too is irrelevant. I don't think it still matters at this point since most of my will to debate or explain my characters as being made with efficiency and solid play style first and gimmicky fun, like any seasoned D&D player eventually learns to do. I just wanted to clarify that this wasn't something I came up with out of the blue just to make Victoire unreasonably OP (which she isn't). This was mostly to answer [@Silvan Haven] and [@BCTheEntity] about how the roses grow and work, they are really just a buffed up version of something from D&D. So yeah, after finally running the numbers and finding the name of the damn spell that I was trying to remember for weeks, my D&D players' heart is satisfied. Now I feel like I explained every possible thing that I could. [hr] *PS: Note that 1, in the chart represents the current post I'm still stuck in. Not the actual 1st post as you can see by the area of the roses.