PS: this works even for the number of defects in a production plant. Per definition, 80% of the total problems come from 20% of the causes for problems. That's how you work around production and quality optimization, first deal with the bigger causes, then stop, look at the process again, find the new problems, rinse and repeat ad infinitum, since getting rid of 100% of the problems is impossible, by the very nature of this law and the world itself. Here's a Wikipedia article that may shed some more light of why, big things get bigger and small get smaller: [url][u]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution[/u][/url] As you see [@Silvan Haven], the roses don't follow any eldritch law that's so hard to understand. The way they grow is truly basic common sense. I just never thought that I would have to go this far into this issue to get people to understand them, I mean, for me they just look logical, I guess I forgot that not everyone can see these patterns so easily.