Two posts in a row, but who cares at this rate? On and off again between devices. [quote=@Penny] I've worked in systems that provide high quality healthcare to millions without bankrupting them. That make it possible to get real care rather than cluttering up the ERs with non critical patients, that save thousands of lives every single year. That is my sample size of one. The VA is shit? You had a terrible experience? I am sorry for you, but even near perfect systems have malpractice and incompetence. You think the US can't do better than it currently does? That is conservative BS. You want to sit around and whine that it can't be done? That is your right but I will be out there advocating for a better system for my patients. [/quote] I will pose a contrary question then. Can you name one positive statistic overall from the Department of Veteran's Affairs' medical coverage, other than the fact it at all exists? I mean something consistent and measurable that does [i]not[/i] fall into this story of loathing? I have [i]never[/i], not once in my life, met a veteran or service member who did not encounter tremendous difficulty - notably waiting times and quality of care - with the Department of Veteran's Affairs. I have instead heard many stories of them living purposefully outside of coverage by the hospital so they are [i]forced[/i] to get referrals to practitioners who are private sector in order to get better care. [quote=@POOHEAD189]And I think that affordable healthcare is a good thing.[/quote] [url=https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/obamacares-tax-on-the-poor-1506118414]I certainly wouldn't call it "affordable".[/url] There is a significant issue with the current model that does not bode well for any future one theorized. At the very least, it is an ugly reality of what social programs actually do to those involved in them; cripple them when they are already asking for mercy. Why not simply let them browse the market and choose if they even [i]want[/i] insurance at all? If they willingly go uninsured, they pay for it themselves at their own peril.