If you are all just going to sit in this conversation and take jabs at each other than what is the point of even talking about it. I have seen this conversation pop up multiple times but in the end it always derails to people spewing petty comments at one another out of despite or presumptuous accusations. The only way this issue is ever going to people properly discussed is if everyone puts aside their pride, what they [i]think[/i] they know about it, and past vendettas (be whatever they may). As long as people are coming in here with build up emotions and attacking one another nothing will be gained. If you feel yourself getting worked up about a comment that some random person (who doesn't even truly know you I might add) then step away from the screen and come back when you are collected. Everytime...ever single time this conversation is prefaced with "Don't be hostile, don't be whiny, don't attack each other" but here we are. Personally, I'm past it and if you don't care about my opinion that is fine. I am one person on a site with thousands of people. At the very least learn to treat each other like civil beings or all of this is pointless either way. I'm past the point of annoyed with people putting each other down (from both sides...why tf are there even sides anymore). Be considerate for Christ's sake and start acting like the adults you are. And when I say everyone I literally mean everyone...myself included. I've been stupid in this as well, getting caught up in many things that were beside the point. I'm sorry to anyone I hurt during that time or for the person I was, because it wasn't who I really am or want to be. All the same can we lay this all aside and look at Dion's points objectively, listen to responses attentively, and reply respectively. To the mods. To the community. [i]Rant over. I am sorry and you may sass me for it, that's fine[/i]