[quote=@Odin]
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Two of the current moderator team have nominated themselves to Hank. Despite you saying it didn't happen - it did. I should just correct you on that - please not that I'm not disagreeing with everything you said, but just saying that the way things work here isn't according to a standard set of rules, it's down to whatever the moderators feel like. This structure has worked for 10 years now, it seems, but we can all agree that post-guildfall things have changed.
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In that case, fine. Now I'd like to see where they plopped themselves in that way out in a public space instead of taking it to a message to Mahz/Hank, where I would assume that process belongs.

[quote=@Odin]
Perhaps you weren't involved in the first thread that was made where we saw a wider reach in terms of users coming in and putting in their two cents (which is where the first list of suggestions came from). Although I vaguely seem to recall you participating, I'm not sure and I'm not in the mood to go hunting for it. 
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There was less than a dozen people outside of the usual active group that made a post, and not all were critical of the systems of moderators. The thread also tended to deviate from its purpose, but I digress. I wouldn't call it a basis for representation of the forum sections and average unaffiliated user. For that particular point, it was the wording that got me. The rest of the points could be chunked down to opinion. That one was presented in a way that implied "the community" had come to some sort of agreement. I never saw that agreement.

[quote=@Odin]
ArenaSnow, I think you're a nice guy, and we've had some nice posting back and forth in other threads. But now it just seems like you're attacking the credibility of this process as a whole based on factors I can't really do much about. No, not everyone on the guild participates, and yes, perhaps that means it's not representative at all. I hope you can also see that I'm trying to achieve something close to that regardless of the limited means I have as a standard user with no access to the discord.
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I suppose while we're on that, yes, this thread has a small chance of reaching the appropriate amount of people and the right groups of people that make up the core of the site, likely due to its unofficial nature (not much that can be done with that, at least that I expect the staff team will do) and the fact that I get the feeling many people just don't care enough to look and/or comment. A discussion is all well and good - my bones are on specific points, such as the one where it was implied the community at large, beyond a specific group of individuals, had come to an actual decision on the matter.