Before I even begin replying to this mess of a post, I have to say, you really outdid yourself more than you ever have before Catchambers. I think the only time I was more amazed by you was the time you spammed threads filled with [@Mentions] of Mahz and got banned for it. You've managed to not only miss the point more often than I drink coffee in the day (I drink lots of coffee) but also have you managed to not understand most of what was written. I am amazed. You will find my comments inside. [quote=@catchamber] [hider=Holy Shit Wall of Text] By your own logic, increasing moderator power or adding more co-admins may not result in any real changes, because even Hank can't do much, and they're the highest ranking person after Mahz. [color=red]No, this was a comment I made on a previous suggestion that was partially fulfilled. More moderators and a co-admin was the thing we did. The reason it didn't work was because of the fact that the role powers are ingrained in the coding, ergo, Mahz needs to change the code. It has nothing to do with whether or not we increase power or add co-admins at this point because we already did that. The thing that needs to happen now is for Mahz to operationalize those changes so they can do what they were intended to do. So no, by my logic, we never gave the moderators and co-admin the powers they need to do their job better. So no, your point is false.[/color] You want to whip up some sprites for the staff to plug in, then? [color=red]I could if I was asked to help, but I was not, so I shan't. Unless they ask me. I offered to make emotes for the guild discord and I can still do that if needed.[/color] If you actually want these events, you should organize them. [color=red]I no longer have access to the discord, so no, I shouldn't. That'd be impossible. Also, this wasn't my suggestion, so I mean, no, I'm under no obligation to do so.[/color] Can you provide hard evidence that the rules aren't being enforced, preferably in the form of links to specific instances? [color=red]Per forum moderating standards enforcement of the rules isn't made public, and I no longer have access to the discord, so no, I cannot, but why don't you do your own research for once?[/color] Except there are a dozen entries in the "What has been completed:" section to your first post in this thread, and the staff have posted in virtually every thread about this subject, which is proof that discussion and debate about the state of RPG is not useless at all, things do happen, and the moderators do talk back. [color=red]Far more hasn't been done than has been done, as I'm sure you can count.[/color] If you don't mind me asking, when did [i]you[/i] last post in that subforum? [color=red]Again, it wasn't even my suggestion, but I posted a comment saying 'what the fuck' there 3 days ago, and besides that, went in there a few more times prior to that to welcome people when I felt like it.[/color] Can you provide hard evidence that this is causing problems? [color=red]I think it is generally understood that inactive moderators are a problem. The real thing you should be asking is whether or not there are good reasons for this. I'm reading here that there are. Are you satisfied?[/color] Why? [color=red]Community building. It's my own personal opinion that is likely never going to happen, but if I don't stand up and say what I think I also have no right to complain.[/color] I think that having moderators with authority over the forum, chat, or both would help spread out the weight of their responsibilities. [color=red].. you mean they currently don't have authority?[/color] If you ask me, I don't see anything wrong with the current system. [color=red]Just because nothing is wrong with it doesn't mean there are better ideas.[/color] Maybe it'd be less aesthetically pleasing to have over a handful of guides pinned in each roleplaying subforum, instead of just letting curious users go read them in the Articles & Guides subforum? [color=red]That's subjective. You'd have a good point if the articles and guides subforum was better represented closer to the top instead of down at the bottom where, indeed, nobody really reads it.[/color] Perhaps there's tension between you and some of the moderators, which makes them less inclined to speak with you. I haven't had any problems with talking to them about various site-related topics, but that's just my experience. [color=red]I would like to think moderators are open to talking to everyone whenever they are available regardless of their personal opinion of said person, because that's what they're there to do.[/color] How much of the community is dissatisfied with the status quo? [color=red]No idea. Host a questionnaire for it.[/color] It's not the moderators' responsibility to deal with off-site matters. If something happens on the forum or chat, then they have to respond. [color=red]I'm gonna start sending you death threats off-site and we'll see if it's not of interest to the guild. Nah, I think that it's at least something they should consider.[/color] While I can agree that we [i]might[/i] need more moderators, I would seriously consider going to another forum if even a single community-elected power-hungry member joined their ranks. This is because there's no effective and reasonable way to get the community to vote on a new moderator without someone boosting their votes via alternate accounts. [color=red]??? ok[/color] Agreed. Agreed. I never really cared for RPGNews, but maybe you could make your own version of it? [color=red]The last time that happened the account got nuked and banned.[/color] I never really cared for those, but maybe you could make your own version of it, or offer ideas for potential contests? Just because we have Contest moderators doesn't mean that we need to have contests at the moment, but I do find it curious that section hasn't had a post in roughly 3 months. [color=red]:)[/color] Moderators don't need to share those things with the community. They just need to moderate the forum and chat. [color=red]Then they should also put up with critique that people see nothing happening. No?[/color] For the love of Mahz, please don't. [color=red]Again not my suggestion. [/color] I joined RPG a handful of years before Guildfall, and virtually every clique that was around then has either vanished or splintered. Given enough time, the current cliques will end up the same way. This is just how the internet works, and the moderators are only obligated to ensure that rules aren't being broken. [color=red]no shit lol[/color] I wouldn't be upset if any of those subforums were axed, so long as they remained inactive for an entire month. [color=red]So you'd be content keeping a subforum if only 10 people used that subforum? What do you consider inactive?[/color] Can you elaborate on this? [color=red]Wasn't my suggestion so no I can't. You can do your own research and read the previous thread.[/color] Would you prefer that the moderators be trigger-happy with their banning powers, and never let people appeal their bans? [color=red][quote=Odin]Not necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.[/quote] I'll throw you a bone. Opening these may help you: [hider][img]http://www.essilor.com.hk/sites/default/files/All%20About%20Your%20Eyes_%20Eye%20Diseases.jpg[/img][/hider][/color] Considering that moderators have replied to this and similar threads, and that they regularly post in the chat, I'm inclined to disagree with you on this. Also, when was the last time you stopped to chat with a janitor in real life? [color=red]We're gonna equate them to janitors now just because Hank made an analogy that they're janitors? OK, I guess I'm gonna throw shit on the floor in front of them too and not clean up after myself because 'we have janitors' what kind of tomfoolery holy shit[/color][/hider] [/quote] [quote=@ArenaSnow] Reading catch's post was what tuned me into this, but I did in fact use the new guild join feature that was in the general chat. It made things rather easy. I saw the message, clicked into the thread and had a welcome put up split seconds after the user posted. It's entirely our issue to welcome people, and I try to throw at least some sort of welcome to people who haven't had a response when I feel like hopping over there, which is fairly frequently. In other words, when it comes to welcoming, we're just a lazy old bunch of bastards it seems. [/quote] Yup. Whether or not it's really an issue that is worth fixing is another matter but an attempt was made, now it's up to the people to take it. They won't but that's out of the hands of anyone at that point.