[quote=@Drache] [@Altered Tundra]As evidenced by this very thread, some people change their minds and are willing to let go of these kinds of restrictions. It's not like the discussion isn't worth having just because most people aren't going to flip sides. [/quote] I do think these discussions are very necessary and it also allows people to vent out frustrations that may be built up over months or years. To be really truthful, I had no idea what gender identity was until maybe 18 months ago, pushing up to two years. I'm thirty and and for up to 28 years male is male, female is female, gays are fags, V8s, beers, burnouts, fucken sick Australia brosky, bla, bla, bla. We had a national survey recently on whether homosexuals should be allowed to marry and the propaganda and confusion was through the roof, not to mentioned it cost billions because the government can't make up their mind. I will say I ended up letting my sister fill out my form cause she's more logical in these situations and her opinion was probably better than mine as I was on the fence about it. So it is hard for me in some cases to understand what the problem is because we do have a specific culture in Australia and any sexism debates here are actually a newer thing (or completely ignored), and I can say that I'm only half an hour from bogan central which is equivalent to your US rednecks. So pretty much, my view is something that could change in the future, but it may not be something that will change overnight due to a few people's opinions. Afterall we are constantly learning and have to adjust and understand these views at our own, personal pace.