[quote=@Heat] [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1in_god_we_trust.jpg[/img] [img]https://cdn3.volusion.com/awraq.tuqes/v/vspfiles/photos/pledge-of-allegiance-2.jpg[/img] [img]http://b-townblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/oathofallegiance.jpg[/img] Yes, people have the right to refuse to state the parts in the oath/pledge that reference God, but those lines still exist in the texts. [list] [*][url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/08/there-are-states-where-you-technically-cant-hold-public-office-if-youre-an-atheist/?utm_term=.c07a6614de0c]People who deny existence of a God/Almighty God technically can't run for state office in several states.[/url] [*][url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/17/god-or-the-divine-is-referenced-in-every-state-constitution/]God or the divine is referenced in every state constitution.[/url] [*][url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/20/almost-all-presidents-have-been-christians/]Almost all U.S. presidents, including Trump, have been Christians[/url]. Presidential inaugurations are [url=http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/the-8-constitutional-religious-activities-of-inauguration/]filled with displays of faith[/url], and in many many cases, tilted towards an Almighty Christian God. Trump's inauguration [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/20/donald-trumps-inaugural-speech-may-be-his-most-religious-yet/?utm_term=.3fa13e34f3d8]was particularly filled with religious references.[/url]. [*] Many government buildings have religious symbols on them. [url=http://www.itwillpass.com/Moses-Ten-Commandments-1-Supreme-Court.jpg]Including the Supreme Court building[/url], where Moses and his Ten Commandments are front and center. [/list] Depending on the definition of mostly, religion is still very abound in the US government, and it tends to have a Christian tilt. [/quote] 1) Three picture links that say 'God' but doesn't necessarily distinguish [u][b]which[/b][/u] God. As stated before this post, the Constitution was founded on the idea that our rights are inalienable and bestowed upon us by our creator. That's it. In other words, Christianity still does not dictate governance: the Constitution does. And you just said it yourself, you don't have to say 'God' because that is your right to do or not do as allowed by the Constitution. 2) I will concede that the founding of America was strongly about the freedom to believe in one's own religion without being lawfully punished for doing so. So, it naturally makes sense that many of our government buildings would have Christian allusions especially because Christianity was the predominant and still is predominant religion of the country. This is still not proof that Christianity [b][u]governs[/u][/b] the United States. Parts of our framework of laws are certainly influenced by the Ten Commandments (like laws against murder, thieving, being a false witness), but a significant number of other countries also follow such laws. 3) The states you linked are a total of eight which constitutes a minority. Those laws are also unenforceable therefore making them irrelevant. The one thing you and me would agree here is that those laws are unconstitutional and should be immediately abolished. 4) Religious reference does not equal religious governance. To sum this all up: Christianity is absolutely entrenched in the fabric of our country's foundational history so it makes sense that we'd see such references. However, allusions to the faith are not laws and are not a governing aspect of any relevance outside of the unconstitutional laws that you linked. We could have a long discussion about how we've walked all over the constitution with the ever-growing power of our federal government regardless of religious intervention or non-religious intervention. My point still remains that, in the modern day religion holds no significant sway in governance within the U.S.A. We are not some Christian theocracy, we are a republic with allusions to a higher power and have remained so. The better question here is: So what?