[@SleepingSilence] I do think suicide bombers have a right to take their own lives, just like anyone else, its the murdering of all the other people that I have an objection to, so no, I dont need to backtrack. 

[@Dynamo Frokane] Not so far off :P


Damage to buildings? Whatever method we decide to use for medically assisted suicide, I'm reasonably certain I wont be donning my scrubs to throw someone off a building.





Lets take a look at the Euthanasia law they use in the Netherlands, this is the sort advocating:

[i]The law allows medical review board to suspend prosecution of doctors who performed euthanasia when each of the following conditions are fulfilled:

the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement

the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)

the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects, and options

there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above

the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, and the doctor must be present

the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)
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I'm sure emotional teens crying for attention will go through a long bureaucratic process involving consulting their GP and then mental health professionals and all the other hoops you would need to jump through. They will continue to attempt to kill themselves the way they currently do.


[quote=@SleepingSilence]
 when I point out how gun to the head suicide doesn't work.
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[quote=@Penny]
I think I found the study this is referencing and the methodology is measuring people that are admitted to trauma centers. I think it excludes people who are pronounced dead at the scene. So if you are alive when you get there, you have a 42 percent chance.

A study on suicide lethality from the American Journal of Public Health [i](RS Spicer, TR Miller - Suicide acts in 8 states: incidence and case fatality rates by demographics and method. - American Journal of Public Health, 2000)[/i] rates lethality as follows:

Drug/poison ingestion  1.5
Poison by gas 41.5
Suffocation/hanging  61.4
Drowning/submersion 65.9
[b]Firearm 82.5[/b]
Cut/pierce  1.2
Jump 34.5
Other  8.0

Making firearms the clear winner. Im actually a little surprised at just how few death are accounted for by OD and Cutting although its possible that suicide by OD is poorly captured in their data.


I'm not arguing that we should be offering assisted suicide in outpatient clinics for anyone who wanders by, but I do think that is is a sensible option to have on the table. Terminal patients often choose to die simply by stopping treatment even though we could keep them alive for months or years longer. Some simply opt to kill themselves and make an end to it one way or another. Id just as soon have it happen in a humane dignified way, rather than buying a shotgun and eating a shell.

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[quote=@SleepingSilence]
You want suicide to be legal
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Yep.

[quote=@SleepingSilence]
probably want free healthcare for all.
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Provided to all at no upfront charge from tax revenue, but yes.


[quote=@SleepingSilence]
And you'd like the suicide success rate to go up.
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Among terminal patients who would qualify for and desire such a thing? Yes.


[quote=@SleepingSilence]
Fantastic
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Glad you are on board!