[quote=@Xandrya]You see, religion is a lot like sports. You're born in America, you're more than likely to be Christian and a football fan. You're born in Japan, the chances of you being Buddhist and a fan of baseball (they love it there) are damn high. It's all situational. And the beliefs continue on to adulthood. They believe what their parents and society tells them to, not what they feel is right. I'm not saying that's the case for every single person, but the ones that go against the flow are a few and far in between. 
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Not trying to banter or insert myself or whatever, just.... Reaching the same conclusions as your parents does not imply a lack of independent thought. "Ones that go against the flow" are no more (and no less) thoughtful than "ones who don't." An absolute moron can rebel, and a wunderkind genius who spends every minute of every day in rapt study, can concur. The ends are no indicator of the means.

And btw, no judgments from me on either the moron or the genius. If you assume there is a higher power then they're [i]both[/i] stupidby comparison; and if there isn't, then their intellectual investment is irrelevant. I'm of the opinion that truly great minds wouldn't bother with the debate in the first place, because ultimately (in any religion or lack thereof) intellect doesn't enter the eternal equation. 

That said I'll debate it all day, fite me. I'm just another moron clinging to guns and religion. 

.....guess I am inserting myself, fuck. Whatever. Bourbon is fantastic.