[quote=@catchamber] [@The Harbinger of Ferocity] If I created you and your environment, all while knowing everything you will do in advance, how can you have the ability to freely make your own decisions? Please answer this without a giant wall of text. [/quote] If you plant an apple tree and care for it and water it and all that crap, it grows the way it's gonna grow. You know it's gonna grow apples, not pears; hell let's say you know everything there is to know about apple trees, and you know how tall this one's gonna grow and how many branches and all sorts of things about it. Your knowledge and care benefits the tree, but the tree (being a tree) has no possible way of perceiving your involvement. It simply does what trees do and lives treeishly. It grows, it makes fruit, it drinks water and eats sunlight and votes for Pedro. It has the tree-equivalent of free will, and also, it's part of a plan. We're more complex than trees, and God is smarter than your average gardener. The principle (I think) is similar.