[quote=@catchamber]
[@mdk] We're talking about a hypothetical tree gardener that controls and knows everything about a tree and its environment. If you're not, then your analogy doesn't accurately describe the relationship between creation and its omnipotent and omniscient creator.
[/quote]

No, we're talking about whether or not knowledge precludes free will, unless you changed the convo on me.

[quote=@catchamber]
[@The Harbinger of Ferocity] If I created you and your environment, all while knowing everything you will do in advance, how can you have the ability to freely make your own decisions?[/quote]

If you wanna talk about CONTROL interfering with free will, that's a totally different conversation. I can probably still do it with gardens and trees though.