[@Dynamo Frokane]

No, I said "at every turn", and further emphasized the difference in the latter. One no one is going to take seriously, the other no one should take seriously. Both need a tremendous reform in their community and actual concerns if they wish to be taken at all as movements with valid, real concerns. But instead of them answering the challenge to either side, we chose the meme-y route. Granted this thread is "Mildly Political", but I was hoping to see someone attempt a concern from either camp.