[quote=@Odin] what the fuck you can’t “defeat” an ideology, only the people believing in it. you do that either by total eradication, erasure and removal from history (so you holocaust the shit outta them) or you just remove the ideology by making people believe in something else trying to kill an ideology by defeating people is pointless. it only strengthens the ideology - look at ISIS [/quote] If you read it that was the point. Ideas outlast the original people who support or proclaim them. you may destroy the group, but not the idea. The groups and there flags fell from there capitals and there armies lay in ruins burning and destroyed, yet they still exist. Confederate ideas endure, the last battle of that war was in the 1800's. We believe in religions and ideas like democracy some 2000 plus years later or longer. Ideas change abit but they keep existing relevant to there time frame.