[@Holy Soldier] I actually contributed and deconstructed your arguments but you chose to ignore it. I thought it was because you were afraid of answering my arguments but I suppose you missed them. Quoted here for your convenience. [quote=@Odin] Sounds like what you want is already offered and, in fact, has been done before in any of the three main sections. I'm not really looking foreword to adding a dead-on-arrival subsection to a forum that already has 3 sections that under-perform on a near permanent basis. I'm going to dismantle your arguments one by one; I am unsure what you are asking for. Are you asking for 'literal' world-building functions like a map designer in the forum? I venture a guess and say that you're not but the sentence 'being able to design your game right there in the thread' throws me off. Otherwise, I'm really unsure whether this even is an argument - a blank thread is a blank thread, whether it is in world-building forums or in test forums. You can already design it with other players namely through the 0th post (which is not an ideal function but whatever). Anything else can be substituted by careful planning and organization. A new sub-forum isn't going to help you with any of that. You can make two character sheet threads or even make a bestiary in the guides section (which has been done before). [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/167471-encyclopedia-ein-sof-a-guide-to-a-colloborative-persistent-world/ooc]Point[/url] in [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/165133-a-guide-to-the-lore-of-the-abandoned-hope-universe/ooc]case[/url]. You don't need a new sub-forum. [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/164519-the-world-of-areth-gladiators-of-arlen-lore/ooc]Just[/url] fall in [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/165133-a-guide-to-the-lore-of-the-abandoned-hope-universe/ooc]line[/url] with [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/125566-aveeno-lore-maps-info-canons-world-and-etc/ooc]the masses.[/url] inb4 all of these can be placed in the new sub-forum! Yes and your bestiary and whatever else can be placed in the guides thread. As for the fact that it exists on these other forums - that's really cool. You know one forum I used to frequent had a payment system with made-up money that was arbitrarily handed out. Why not add that? Maybe it's because 'more more more' doesn't fit in my forum design philosophy but really, less is more. Not everything needs its own specific sub-forum. You can make due with what we have now, easily. Put it in a guide. A character thread will be the same no matter whether it was made in this new 'world building' sub-forum or in a character storage thread. [hr] It wouldn't inconvenience me in the way that that stupid 'Expanding Horizons' has inconvenienced me (under the impression that world building forum will be low, low, low in the list of RPG's frontpage) but I have to object to adding more dead-on-arrival forums. I predict if this were to be made it'd follow the same trend as EH - interest in the first week and then a very sudden death with only a trickle of activity after that. [/quote] Since you are so open to discussion I will await your reply so we can talk in a civilized manner. Redeem yourself.