I like Discovery as a Scifi series that is not related to anything else ever. IMO it'sn't Star Trek. Those aliens they are fighting are NOT Klingon.

IMO Orville is more like Star Trek than Discovery.

Discovery might have worked if it was set in a future sometime after Voyager, at least then Klingons not looking like Klingons could have plausible explanation instead of the radical Klingon to Not-Klingon to Klingon crap they are doing. Hollywood needs to get over this garbage obsession with prequels.

Philippa Georgiou is a lot better character than that idiot captaining the Discovery or Burnham.

So far the only thing I like about Discovery is the Mirror Universe. Captain Tilly so much fun.

To me Federation ships are the Human ships. Andorians have their own ships. Vulcans have their own ships. Humans have never been shown having ships independent of the Federation.