[quote=@ReonenMiruel] Fair enough. All I'm saying, though, is that at the present time, a certain level of ethnocentrism is healthy, especially in respect to how other places are doing in comparison to where we are. We got to where we were in these certain places because of how white people, in general, acted in previous generations, and I don't think it's helpful to discount that with the critical theory bullcrap that gets spread around nowadays. [/quote] Right, but you seem to want to talk in identity politics on one hand to talk about the positives of whiteness as a whole based on achievements of certain historical figures and certain current individuals who happened to be white, but then when it comes to yourself, you want to be seen as an individual as one of the 'good' arabs (lebanese?) who aren't white but can assimilate into majority white countries perfectly and freely mix races with the population. You can't have it both ways either your race matters or it doesn't. [quote] to consider [b]nationality[/b] in immigration policy [/quote] See even here the distinction is clear, nationality is civic, not ethno-nationalism.