I agree with Genni that for practical reasons grafting the two together doesn't quite work; the monastic state shtick requires them to look poorly, world-weary, and not like the sort of organization poised to act as a (more obvious) fifth column. More importantly, it's my impression that the Widows were established rather middlingly or late as these organizations go, whereas the Indo-King clawed his way up early even if not immediately, sometime in perhaps the first two centuries of four since Justinian wrecked everything and retired to his throne, going by the 'Justinian, who has ruled his people for at least four centuries' line. If an established state surrounded the Widows' fortress home, then there's no balkanized intertribal shitflinging to motivate their formation into a sham Daigonist organization to ward off other nomads from kicking their heads in. And there'd have been no reason for the Indo-King not to take that mean fortress isle for his own, centuries before the Three or the preceding tribe they puppeteered ever arrived. And I'm not so sure about the 'daemon-spawned elite' part as far as the literal level, but I suppose the Bakiraka were a thing in the Ganishka line of inspiration. Time will tell as things fill out. I'd like to stick to the original territory projections, clarification of the extent of which were one subject in my PM to Flagg, as those boundaries do not as yet squeeze anyone save (probably) Gorgenmast and do not interfere with anyone elses' foundational myths. The Red Empire was too unruly to reintegrate as they exploded outwards to meet the Indo-King's own expansion, Tushienna was able to immediately secure itself and batten all hatches, and Arkhazon's dreamseeker project- and the barrage he'd claimed- was left to its own devices, partly out of respect and partly because the two devils were too equally matched (or worse, unequally) for Arkhazon to be brought to heel. And if the borders end up stretching far enough northerly, the Akagi Khanate is too prickly to consume and potentially too useful as corsairs anyways. Geographic-conceptual synthesis in these games is a delicate process, but I think I have the right of it already. I'll join the discord sometime later today or this evening I hope and make some [i]really[/i] shitty black-circling-line-only prospective territory claims, trusting a better cartographer to hack out a properly, transparently painted boundary. Get that all sorted. To answer on the Indo-King and the Widows; he is not happy. Not happy that they're charlatans, not happy that they're [i]everywhere[/i] and getting their gutter-espionage in [i]everything,[/i] not happy that throwing together a casus belli let alone the kind of force to spare to deal with them if he had one is as yet impossible with his states' probably frontiers far too far from their heartland anyways, not happy at all. He knows their story is exceedingly dubious, he smells a certain dishonesty in the presumably tighter-lipped and more reserved nature of the inner circle Handmaid or Sister types he's met as envoys versus the drugged up outer circle fanatics and laymen & women- both of whom he has a respectively somewhat and far higher opinion of, mostly secularly informed and a bit on the clerical side- but he simply cannot pin anything down. So he insulates their cults' branches heavily and stymies their growth somewhat in favor of his own myriad mystery cults, allows their charity, tries to keep tabs on which Widows' houses are the prime spy dens and which are mere urchin watchposts- hardly much distinction between a small pigeon roost and a big one if there aren't Widows with their own ears personally to the ground, but still- and abides their existence. Publically he will proclaim his knowledge of many concubines of Daigon, but of no special 'Three,' while nonetheless giving praise to the charitable deeds and good faith of the cults' boots on the ground. Maybe gives the odd hackneyed quote about man 'not living on bread alone' and intonations about heroic duties to the external world of their own to warn away from overreliance on them and their material charity. Exoteric lukewarm skepticism, esoteric antipathy. The Indo-King can't keep them from getting news out that would reach the state public, but he can keep them thoroughly out of the inner-middle workings and from getting more than vague impressions on what direction the state is swinging its weight from the lowest-level magisters & officers. Good state security is one of the means by which he's avoided death by the Castigati after all, as previously stated, and it works well enough on Widows.