[@Dynamo Frokane] At what point did I say they were not a "racist movement", as their goal is at least in part based around race, as they define it, and focusing on the differences there of, if any? No less, as they themselves spoke about, they are more interested in preserving a national identity and culture than a race and are apparently against violence to achieve these ends. Is there something wrong with allowing them to hold that belief when they are displaying no apparent illegal activity? Considering you showed me an eighteen minute long clip on an organization I know nothing about and then demanded I find it "racist" and them "white nationalists", consider me skeptical of your motives when they said nothing at large about "not regarding non-white Europeans as part of their desire demographic". The most I consistently heard is they want immigrants removed, a term they themselves never define, meaning you could well be as right as you could be wrong; I, as the uninitiated audience, do not know the answer either way. It is not selective ignorance to state, firmly as I have, "Based on what little I do know of them and what I have seen, they do not seem that bad.", which is why I previously in the extended dialogue spoke to the lines that you might well be withholding information or evidence from me in a blatant attempt to make your point. I am going to err on that as truth because I distrust you and your motives in this argument. I am not defending their organization at all, I have repeatedly said from what I know of them they are not meeting the wildly thrown about labels being used, something which they themselves acknowledge happens; it is no secret the concept they are backing is going to naturally be pinned with any number of other things, some of which are, by themselves, neither right nor wrong while others are certainly evil. Why is this? Because other groups who they share a sphere of interest and overlap with did these things. It isn't "mental gymnastics" to sit back and say accusing them of more than what we have on hand, in this case the video, and suggest things are not being portrayed fairly. Again, if you have actual proof of them taking actions that harm or discriminate against people, by all means do share it. Yet here we are again on this topic, why do you continue to assume I am protecting James Allsup? I have told you repeatedly and will again state I do not know much about him, do not care at all about him, and that while there is evidence to call him a racist, [i]suggesting it is more likely than not[/i], I am not going to go around accusing people of wrongthink or of being whatever label of the month is popular. Why not? Unlike others I believe that so long as he is doing no harm, he is free to hold his opinions, even if I am not fond of them. This is the third time you have accused me of somehow backing Allsup when I have repeatedly said, "I haven't seen convincing reason or evidence to so much as care about him." You are the one throwing around "Move on." yet here we are, on a topic you said you had neither the time nor energy to explain, declined to provide your evidence of why you are outright correct, but are harping on it and crowing as loud as you can. To borrow the same sort of mentality you are executing consistently now with this, "Get off your high horse." If you have something to prove the organization is more insidious than it seems to be based on what you have shown, do so. Show Generation Identity starting and leading a riot, show them mistreating or disrespecting others, show them acting against national interests by disparaging race of their own countrymen, on, and on, and on.