[quote=@Penny] So by illegal in the United States, you mean sometimes illegal in some of the states? Just looking for clarification... [/quote] My post literally goes over what most of that Wikipedia page went through. Yes sometimes, law doesn't make a whole lot of sense and is sporadic. Go figure. (Hell I even posted, a wikipedia page.) Though even then, from eons ago. My argument was this shouldn't be encouraged, its a tragedy every time someone losses all hope, it demoralizes countries, medical data that people do it for is often wrong, and it often fails and costs us billions. Which was what you disagreed with. Without really giving me any counter evidence, which I assume just means "feelings trump facts and data."