[quote=@The Harbinger of Ferocity] [@Dynamo Frokane] Now [i]that[/i] I can respect, that you take personal issue with them and have drawn your own line. I certainly do not expect you to nod along, that was never a concern or issue, rather that I would not be [b]somehow lumped into them for simply stating they are not all one in the same.[/b] So long as we can recognize the issue wasn't advocacy versus accuracy; I might not agree with these organizations, but political and character assassination is even worse when they have debatably done very little. They were made guilty by association, which I take issue with for myself. That laid out in full, I would disagree one really "is" what they say or think they are without practicing what they preach, even if only to themselves in their own mind, but I would dare say that isn't so much a political discussion anymore. [/quote] You've gotten me confused with someone else then, because I've been saying this from day 1, I even was the one who clarified the difference between a white nationalist and a white supremacist to sleeping silence. I understand extremist groups, gangs, and cults very very well and I always approach them with nuance. Now you can search long and hard throughout my post history I have never once called you a racist, or Sleeping Silence a racist or even the guy with the 3 letter acronym who I'm choosing not to name a racist. I know what racism is, and I use the term very carefully. But as far as James Allsup and Generation Identity both undeniably racist. Now I didn't say they were violent and I'm not even saying that they are necessarily going to achieve their goals. But they do have odius and somewhat problematic ideas and I will challenge them, in the same way i'd challenge any extremism. No you can go on and on about how the media are masters of spin, and yes you are right to an extent, but I'm not the media, so when I choose to label someone a racist I'd rather not be compared to some media outlet I have nothing to do with ESPECIALLY when I have proof of my claims.