[quote=@The Harbinger of Ferocity] Yes, much so, [@Penny], do you have anything to back your opinion on the topic you yourself posted or not? I am all for debating the invalidity of validity of defense policy as you can probably tell, but if some of us are perfectly happy to dodge it, no point in my bothering. I mean it is not as though the argument of it being "trash" policy can be debunked in a few minutes or by anyone remotely familiar to it, let alone capable of reading an official report on it by the Department of Defense, or - actually, hold for a moment. Yes, yes it is that easy. Now if you wish to challenge those facts that is another issue entirely, but hence why I ask. Anything to actually add? In addition, to your added post, where and when has anyone here advocated against women in the military? Please specify as I would like to know. Last I recall, I personally advocated any female who can meet the fitness and mission requirements be allowed to compete in the same arena, so long as none of those were lowered from the male, thus equivalent, standards. [/quote] I'm implying that the exact same arguments have been invoked for women serving and for gays serving. How will unit cohesion survive?! This is just for the benefit of the trans-phobic base. Anyone who meets the physical standards should be able to serve. Period.