[quote=@The Harbinger of Ferocity] Just how large do you believe the proposed "transphobic base" is? We have had this conversation before, but the general field of people who are transgender [i]is a measly .6% of the entire population[/i] in the United States, totaling to around 4% of the adult population who are some sex or gender other than typical. Even if there were ten times more transphobic people than actual transgender people, that is still a nothing 6%. It would take around one hundred times more to be relevant in any real matter and I am going to go out on a limb and say that some 60% of the population isn't transphobic. This is essentially a non-argument and sounds good in theory if it were not totally irrational. [/quote] Are you suggesting that because the number of trans people is small their rights dont matter? That discrimination against them isn't real and pervasive. It is a little hard to parse that paragraph. Seeing we are pulling numbers out of the ether, roughly 50 percent of Americans are against trans people using the bathroom consistent with their identity. Therefore 50 percent of American are at least slightly transphobic. I know this is confusing to some people in this thread but transphobia, like gender, exists on a spectrum. I'm also willing to bet that transphobia skews with ideology and that more conservatives express transphobia than liberals (although some might whine at being labeled like that because they are easily triggered). Actually I dont have to bet because pew helpfully conducted a survey [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/[/url]. Just for the sake of argument, lets take your 60 percent of people aren't transphobic figure as though it were real. That means that 40 percent of people are, skew that ideologically and you are looking at a significant base of people. Pushing for a trans ban in the military plays well with the republican base even though, as the Rand study Obama was relying on says, the effects of Trans people serving is likely minimal. Come to think of it didn't you say sexism dosen't exist at some point?