[quote=@Cyclone] Is Fate even necessary? I’ve always thought Fate and Invictus were really gimmicky and needless. [/quote] It's come to a point where, GM purposes aside, it is irrelevant whether Fate and Fate's Right Hand are needless or gimmicky. They're part of the Divinus tradition and no amount of tantruming will get rid of them. Creating a Divinus without them will be a major breach of the in-game multiverse. I'm not prepared to do that. Edit: Also, as the player whose god literally got ROFLstomped by BOTH Fate and Amul, how can you still be sayin' they do nada?