[quote=eddieddi] Actually I'm useing 3.5, the only good AD&D rule book(with the epic and godlike expantions).yeah, panty and stocking is just kinda party trick. [/quote] Really? You're going to preach the D&D bible at me? D&D 3.5 was a great system, but 3.6 was slightly improved. 4.0 made it all too wargame-y, removing the uniqueness of the classes and the overall feel. However, I found the rules were much easier to use to get non-gamers to understand them, as they were more clearly presented, and the GM's guide was just plain awesome. Meh. Everyone has guilty pleasures. Mine is probably To Love Ru.