[quote=@Balance] Hmm. Well, knowing what you know now about the world before its fall, do you think Twisteds should have logically resulted from the previous state? If they couldn't possibly exist in the world before the fall, then you have good reason to believe the fall is part of it. [/quote] Neil: I need to know what you mean by "the previous state" first, just so I can give you a proper answer. By the way, I believe you might want this back. *At some point during the conversation I've closed the book and I am now handing it back to you.*