[quote=@Dynamo Frokane] [@Fabricant451] Im not quote cutting your text wall.[/quote] Cool. I am. [quote]Now Tekken has had 7 iterations not counting the spin offs and SC has had 5. With all those sequels youve given a grand total of 5 innovations between them. And this is a series that has been around for far longer than Smash Bros.[/quote] Which is more than you'd given about Smash up to now, and I didn't even list everything. But sure, go ahead and act like those things I said are the [i]only ones that exist[/i] because it's easier. [quote]If you want to get into the nitty gritty mechanics of Tekken and straight up ignore, the air dodge, spot dodging, power shielding, short hopping, wavedashing, moonwalking, meteor smash, sweet spotting, chain grabbing and about a million other fine tuned innovations to the games which you just refuse to acknowledge then this is not a conversation.[/quote] 'A million'. That's not true at all! That's only like nine things that they've done, and that's being generous considering one of them [i]is literally an exploit that the creator hated and took out of the game[/i], chain grabbing was literally removed too. It's almost like the game rolls back any attempt to be played at any level above casual. If we count literal exploits and glitches as 'innovations' then Smash Brothers is the most innovative fighting series this side of WWE 2K. Tekken and Soul Calibur have little additions and innovations as well and your attempts to downplay that are well noted. [quote]Moves are upgraded, nerfed, buffed, different frame data and priority not only with every update but with every game. Reducing it down to 'Mario throws a cappy instead of a Cape based on the FIRST gameplay trailer ive game neing relased 6 months from now' being the only change is ridiculous.[/quote] About as ridiculous as you acting like actual fighting games don't innovate. [quote]Also smash brothers is literally its own Genre[/quote] [img]https://i.imgur.com/DS3efNh.jpg[/img] [quote]you cant suck Tekken's dick for innovating 3D and just causally ignore the inception of the mascot brawler which was shamelessly ripped off by games like Digimon Rumble Arena and Playstation All Stars[/quote] I can suck Tekken's dick all I want for being a better franchise and doing more for the genre than Smash ever has or ever will. [quote]Smash is its own genre, its a party mascot brawler that doesnt fit neatly into your simplified understanding of games.[/quote] [img]https://i.imgur.com/0S6lasz.jpg[/img] [quote]It has fighting mechanics and party mechanics. Its a game that has fighting in it that doesnt fit for a hyper competetive scene because its built to be a multiplayer with item pick ups and pseudo platforming.[/quote] The fighting mechanics which literally get removed if they're exploits or otherwise seen as 'not intended'. It's a bad fighting game and yet that's what it is. You can't say it's not a fighting game when it looks like a fighting game, sounds like a fighting game, and its largest community is literally pitching it as a fighting game. If it wasn't, why would they ban characters from tournaments or online play? Competitive is the entire focal point of the game. [quote]You dont see the One Piece or Naruto games at EVO either even though they have fighting game mechanics.[/quote] Not on the main stage, no. But those are fighting games too. [quote]What you mean like those oversized anime tits in that game Starless you like where those maids shit and piss on each other? You might be projecting a little here. [/quote] Oh, so you [i]have[/i] heard of it. Here I thought you were still of the mindset that HuniePop was the be all end all of bad games with anime tits.