[quote=@POOHEAD189]Isn't it great the dutch paid others to do their atrocities for them. Made their resume' nice and clean. Or if they could afford to, they'd sailed across the world to commit the rest of their moral crimes.[/quote]

wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politionele_acties

regardless, just because my country did wrong does not excuse yours under the guise of 'hehe but u did it too'. we've attoned for all of the previously mentioned wrongs we've made (and then some)

our actions were not a result of 'whether we could afford to' or not since at that point in time we basically owned the entirety of South-East Asia minus the Phillipines and China since we had the monopoly on trade with Japan and because of that the monopoly on trade with all the island nations

it made our country what it is and we profitted off of it greatly, and that's what i call the benefit of being a conqueror, and it is only natural.

telling me 'hehe we just made the foreigners work for their integration' would've earned far more respect than saying 'b-b-b-but you shot down your colonial subjects!' my country was built on the backs of hard working protestant whities and our far away rice-colonies. but make no mistake - it's not surprising that most of our former territories chose to remain with us rather than claim independence, Indonesia being an exception (and they paid for it dearly, looking at their country at the moment). 

the only thing I'd say we did that was morally ambiguous was buying black slaves from black tribes and handing them weapons, then taking them to america. but, in historical context, i'd say that that was a decision we made that we capitalized on heavily and is what ultimately gave us our status as big-boy in that historical era

edit: wow that was an uncohesive mess (it's what happens when i can't detect what your argument even is) but the point is our slates aren't clean, we've committed plenty 'atrocities' and we've made good on all of them. that said our atrocities make sense (and in the case of Dutchbat, is only an atrocity because the whe-whe crybabies in the balkans say it is, because the choices made there are totally valid and sensical in a military sense)