[quote=@HachiRoku] Granted, the American conservative movement has always more or less been the Coolidge/Reagan/Ben Shapiro type. The point I was trying to make was that Democrats are synonymous to liberal, and that Republicans are synonymous to conservative. I do agree that American conservatism is based on values similar to those of the classical liberal movement as a whole, and it's interesting to see the honest shift Trump is making. While I don't agree with every facet of his policy, it really is interesting to see how he's led to the polarized left and right to expose themselves (although he isn't really bringing them together by any means). It's refreshing to see CNN criticize everything he says and FOX circlejerk everything he does, because at least you know to trust both equally low. [/quote] I think what we're finding is that "Conservative = Republican" and "Liberal = Democrat" has been a fraud and the conservatives (and liberals) are done with it. Republicans did not want Trump; Trump spanked them. Democrats did not want Bernie (so they rigged the primary and bought him off); [url=https://www.thedailybeast.com/nancy-pelosi-dismisses-ascendent-left-after-democratic-socialist-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wins-primary]the establishment is losing its control though[/url]. It's easy to overplay the significance while we're in the moment though. Ocasio-Cortez could be a ripple. Trump could be a ripple. Will any of it (beyond the SCOTUS picks) last? Is there still an establishment (on either side of the aisle) in six years? That's what I wanna know. Hopefully the answer is "no, and term limits in Congress will prevent another one from rising ever again." But that's awfully optimistic.