[quote=@Retired]I mean, if you don't like the character, that's fine. But you can't throw out the definitive statement that MJ is bland, lacks any character, and has rarely been engaging when that's clearly not the case. I can respect you having your opinion, as ill-informed as it may be, but MJ has always been the more fully-fleshed out, interesting, and engaging character out of the two. And I say this as someone who loves Gwen, what she represents and her retroactive personality. Especially in cartoons like Spectacular Spider-Man. Before they completely bastardized her a decade ago, at least. And that's at bare minimum, honestly. She had a great character arc of personal growth following Gwen's death in which she evolved past that party girl persona. And much of her 90's career was of a rather strong individual. Meanwhile, again, as much as I love Gwen, she was a rather flimsily defined character prior to her death - largely living in the stereotype of smart, overachieving girlfriend turned incessant damsel in distress. It was the years following her death through flashbacks and retroactive comics that more clearly defined her, and it was other media such as the shows that made her truly interesting and fun. Up until they ruined her in the comics because Marvel's too stupid to realize it's okay to have Peter be a fucking adult. [/quote] I am not disagreeing on your point that comparing her to Gwen is no contest when it comes to their contemporary depth and so forth. I never particularly said “Gwen was a better character” either. But yes, I’ve always found her bland as cardboard, even back when I was reading Spider-Man comics every day. I’ll admit my memory is not as great and my opinions may have changed since I was younger if I were to re-read these issues, but it is my genuine point-of-view as it stands. I don’t think its particularly ill-informed as its kind of a subjective perspective. I don’t hate Mary-Jane Watson. I’ve enjoyed reading her on occasion. But the occasion just hasn’t been often enough for it to challenge my thinking that she doesn’t interest me in the slightest.