[quote=@Mara]


I think the only loveable meme about Independence Day is Jeff himself. He's achieved meme godhood. He's too strong. [s]I just unironically think he's a gr8 dude.[/s]


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No independence day is a lovable meme because of all the unironic patriotic 'MURICA stuff that movie nerds cant seem to decide if it is 'so bad it's good' or 'so bad it's cringe'. When Jeff fucking Goldblum is the most normal person in your film, you are in meme territory.

Thinking an actor seems nice based on their interviews or whatever is fine, but when you start to trick yourself into thinking that means they are good actors because of it is the issue. Luckily Jeff CAN act when he can be bothered but people like 'lovable' actors like Chris Pratt are mediocre at best.