I'll not comment farther on Rey's character, presentation and abilities between TFA and TLJ because I simply haven't seen the movies enough to debate in specifics regarding presentation and exactly why I get very different vibes between the protagonists and story handling. So it is probably simpler to concede and perhaps pick up the topic another time [s]like that'll happen, rite[/s]. I'll stick to the things I can actually argue, and indeed, care to argue, because I'm not going to dig up the movies just so I can debate the finer points of space magic and characters/plot I'm not particularly interested in for more than a couple of posts.

[quote=@Fabricant451]The circumstances were different for both cases. Luke was disoriented and had been hung upside down for a considerable amount of time - and in both cases Luke and Rey close their eyes to tap into the Force to accomplish their goals.[/quote]

Luke was more familiar with the process and mechanics by that time, despite his injuries, and the span of distance was way, way shorter.


[quote=@Fabricant451]What training was he given by Kenobi, exactly? He put on a helmet and deflected a few bolts from a game droid. He didn't even have any actual formal training until Empire and yet at the end of A New Hope he blatantly uses the Force to blow up the Death Star - just because Kenobi told him to "Use the Force". Which is almost exactly how Rey manages to win the fight, just without Lupita Nyongo whispering it in her ear. Nothing Rey did is out of the ordinary given what we see of her experiences in the movie. [/quote]

Aside from the implication (at least, as I think) that there was more practice than was shown on screen, it's a heck of a lot more than nothing at all and a better background for using tweaks of the force than, again, nothing that counts as tangible practice.

[quote=@Fabricant451]He's not cunning or strategic, which is why Hux was about to kill him in that brief window. What he is is unhinged and angry and he has a rather large army at his disposal. The First Order has numbers now that there's no government and the Resistance is scrounging for numbers in the Outer Rim. The fact that he's not a strategist, but an emotional figure is the entire point. Here's someone who has an absolute authority over a military and a vendetta against those who slighted him. The threat comes from the fact that he's willing to use the army for his own selfish goals and it's not like there's a governmental or military body set to oppose him. [/quote]
I'm curious if you clicked the link.


[quote=@Fabricant451]Snoke was dumb and killing him to make the actual interesting character the antagonist was the best possible move. [/quote]
Why not make a more intelligent character in the first place?

[quote=@Fabricant451]You're right. He's also noted as being rash and prone to poor decision making, overconfidence and poor planning, and ultimately heroic when the need calls for it. He carried on the traditions of his teachers pretty flawlessly too. [/quote]
The former elements were learning experiences that he ultimately took from later on, and his nature was a heck of a lot more open than the prequel jedi who failed to do any form of adapting at all. Carries on the tradition indeed.


[quote=@Fabricant451]Expanding on the concepts is what lead to the only decent bit of Star Wars there is, which was an entire narrative about how the Force is stupid and makes no sense.[/quote]
Great, you have your 'force is stupid' movies. I'll isolate them from the ones that give the marginal attempt to take themselves seriously in the first place, despite plentiful flaws and the fast and loose nature of Lucas lore (probably why there's so many ideas of what's canon in the first place, ei?)

[quote=@Fabricant451] The attempt to make the Force anything less than space wizard mana points[/quote]
I think you mean anything more, as anything less would pretty much make it a shapeless blob of 'meh, something happened, it's magic, whatever' [s]which Lucas may have bought into for 9 year old Anakin[/s]. At that point it's all such an obvious load of bullshit you might as well host a public roleplay with everyone as jump-in and latch star wars to the name to see what comes of it. Anything more would define rules, standards for how it would work, systems of balancing, practice resulting in greater manifest of abilities, etc. An expansion to the potential of the ideas presented in the originals and... somewhat... carried on in the prequels. Naturally, everyone takes it to different extents. Everyone has their interpretation. All we'll end up arguing is how we think the Force should operate when the only boundaries to exist rest in the interpretations of the originals, built up with the prequels (or not, as some see fit to interpret), and any further content from there ranging from the self contradictory Legends book material to comics to Clone Wars/Rebels to Disney's line of interpretation. It's pick and choose in the end. But I'd prefer things in the main line to put a little more energy into staying persistent with itself. And honestly, I have as many problems with the prequels, perhaps more, on this count than anything else produced for Star Wars.