[quote]You keep bringing up brutal murder as if it's relevant.[/quote]

	It... It is... The brutality and sheer aggression of the main character's actions, even outside of the simple act of murder, is a significant part of her characterization, and by extension, the plot of the movie. It may even be one of the sole impacts on the movie's tone. To deny something like this is to completely disregard a significant portion of the movie's themes, characterization, plot, and tone. I believe this is called [b]cherry picking.[/b]

[quote]Quentin having an explicitly feminist or non feminist agenda is also irrelevant.[/quote]

	I know. I said that already. [i]Although I did misspell his name,[/i] to be fair.

[quote]Whether intentional or not, those ARE feminist themes.[/quote]

	I could just say 'no they're not' and be done with it, but I want to hear your reasoning behind this as I'm genuinely curious. [i]Why[/i] are they feminist themes? What exactly makes them feminist themes to you? Why do you correlate these themes with feminism, instead of confidence, independence, or love, for example? Is it that you think those are also feminist themes simply because they refer to women? They're not, if that helps. To assert that would be kind of sexist, and sort of defeats the purpose of feminism entirely, imo.

	I also find it strange that you would assert this ad hominem-

[quote]I can only come to the conclusion that you are conflating what you personally think feminists like and don't like and what a feminist theme is.[/quote]

	Only to make an outrageous claim like this straight afterwards.

[quote]Feminism is an ideology first, then a movement, both of which have obvious political implications but I'm not sure about categorizing feminism as a 'political body' any more than I would categorize 'men's issues' or 'egalitarianism' as a political body.[/quote]

	I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but feminism's origins stem from political activism. It was a movement centered around women's rights, and should still be considered a political body. To disregard this is just factually [i]wrong.[/i] If one can categorize democrats as a political body, despite the vast majority of self-identifying democrats demonstrating behavior that does not line up with the party's goals or theories, then they should also recognize the feminist movement as thus. You cannot disregard the body of knowledge the feminism originates from, otherwise you doom the movement to being redundant and pointless. Which, honestly, I think is the case now. The movement [i]has[/i] become largely redundant and pointless, but that doesn't mean that people should disregard its central theories and generalize it. That's just ill mannered and dishonest. From an argumentative standpoint, you are not addressing feminism as it should be addressed. You are addressing generalized rhetoric, which would in fact be [b]conflating what you personally think[/b] with feminist theory. If I am in fact doing this as well, which I believe I am not, that would make your earlier assertion hypocritical at best.

[quote]Suffragette first and foremost a biopic about feminism, it obviously has the topic of feminism, but that on its own isn't the same as having a feminist story or exploring feminist themes
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	This makes no sense. You are quite literally saying that a movie that [b]theoretically embodies first wave feminism in its entirety with due accuracy[/b] is not a feminist movie. That makes no sense. That is completely absurd. I don't think you have any grounds to claim that I'm conflating my personal beliefs on feminism with actual feminist philosophies, when you are clearly demonstrating a severe lack of education on the topic. I will be the first to admit that I am not [i]particularly learned[/i] on feminist philosophy, but I don't think I'm ignorant of the core beliefs behind the political movement.

	I'm also having trouble understanding your perception of Genre, topic, and themes. I hope you don't take offense to this, but I think you may be confusing these ideas.

[quote]it obviously has the topic of feminism, but that on its own isn't the same as having a feminist story or exploring feminist themes.[/quote]

	Here, you clearly differentiate between 'topic' and 'theme'. Since 'feminist' seems to also be a 'genre' from your perspective (and mine), you additionally differentiate between 'topic' and 'genre' as well. And then...

[quote]Also Django Unchained has slavery as a topic, but it's a Western, not a 'Slave Movie' like 12 years a slave or birth of a nation would be.[/quote]

	 ...you claim that topic and genre are the same, but different, but... Also the same?

	If a movie that [b]directly shows what slavery was like[/b] is considered a 'slave movie', which [i]isn't exactly[/i] the genre I would first associate with it, then why isn't 'Suffragette' a 'feminist' movie when it accurately depicts first wave feminist actions and ideals? What is your thought process here? I'm confused as to what it is you're saying, exactly. Your understanding of Topic, Genre, Themes, and Feminism seems to be a little off. But maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say?

[quote]aggressive and overly confrontational language,[/quote]

	Haha, what? Is it because I swore a couple times? Fuck, man.

[quote]passionate about feminism.[/quote]

	HAHA, WHAT?

	I'm just confronting your ideas on the films being discussed. I'm curious to see if you can somehow rationalize the way that you think, so that I can better understand your perspective, and perhaps learn from it. If you don't want to try and validate your thoughts, simply dismiss my arguments and disregard me.