[quote]So what you're doing is conflating your personal ideas about what traits are intrinsically positive or negative with feminist representation in film. [/quote]

	I wouldn't use the word intrinsically here. But yes. My thought reflection on feminism and Kill Bill are... My thought processes.

[quote]we are talking about the fact that the women in Kill Bill are largely treated and represented irrespective of their gender.[/quote]

	Are we? I think there's been some form of miscommunication, I'm afraid. If this were the case, I would have never bothered with this conversation in the first place.

	If this is the only criteria needed to mark a film feminist, then I understand where you're coming from entirely, and I would agree completely. I assumed this could have been the case early on, but I was going about this discussion as if the topic at hand had some level of depth to it. That is entirely on me.

	I suppose that a massive portion of media is indeed 'feminist' by that logic then. But like I've mentioned time and time again, I think this would make the label completely pointless. But therein lies my confusion as well. I'm arguing from the standpoint that Feminist media refers to texts that actively engage in a constructive dialogue about feminism. Otherwise, what's the point of labeling something as 'feminist' media? Wouldn't that be completely redundant? Absurd? [b]Inane?[/b] I think it would be. What's there to be gained from slapping a feminist label on everything that vaguely matches this nebulous idea of feminism? Other than brand recognition, anyways.

	My criteria are stricter than yours, to put it simply. Although I could call every single movie that features a homosexual character a [i]LGBT[/i] movie, I wouldn't, because that would be [i]silly.[/i] In this sense, our opinions differ.

	I suppose a lot of this does stem from the fact that I don't have a concrete understanding of feminism. But it's like I mentioned from the start, feminism as an ideology is largely subjective as with any form of social science. I was initially going based off of what little I understood about feminism's political goals, which are very simple are hard to confuse. I mentioned this earlier, a few times, but maybe I should have been... Clearer? This is why I took the approach I did. From that perspective, [i]one which I maintain mind you,[/i] I don't think Kill Bill should be labeled as a feminist movie. 

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[quote]Her actions make sense given the character and the world the movie presents.[/quote] 

	..S...Sure...