[quote=@tex]
I suppose that a massive portion of media is indeed 'feminist' by that logic then. But like I've mentioned time and time again, I think this would make the label completely pointless. But therein lies my confusion as well. I'm arguing from the standpoint that Feminist media refers to texts that actively engage in a constructive dialogue about feminism. Otherwise, what's the point of labeling something as 'feminist' media? Wouldn't that be completely redundant? Absurd? [b]Inane?[/b] I think it would be. What's there to be gained from slapping a feminist label on everything that vaguely matches this nebulous idea of feminism? Other than brand recognition, anyways.

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There is definitely [b]more[/b] feminist media then there used to be. But you'd be surprised how many films/novels/comics/video games still treat females inequal to men in terms of motivation, character tropes and archetypes. Kill Bill (vol 1) was released in [i]2003[/i] so a film as boldly feminist as it is was significant for it's time. So maybe there will be a day where feminist media is redundant, but we aint there yet mate. And again, it's only nebulous to you because you are unfamiliar with it, feminist representation is actually quite simple, as you even said above.

Do you know what the [b]Bechdel test[/b] is? Are you familiar with this way of grading if a movie meets even the most basic levels of feminism?

[quote=@tex]
My criteria are stricter than yours, to put it simply. Although I could call every single movie that features a homosexual character a LGBT movie, I wouldn't, because that would be silly. In this sense, our opinions differ.

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No this isn't 'stricter' criteria, its just misguided. Again you are conflating a [i]film being feminist[/i] in terms of representation of it's characters and a character within the film  [i]being a feminist[/i] by your LGBT analogy. 

You could have a non-feminist film, where a character who is a feminist is present, maybe a rom-com where said character is a whiny 1 dimensional bitch who is maybe only there to antagonize a protagonist male in his desires to chase a girl or something. 

Kill Bill doesn't have any explicitly feminist characters in universe, none of the women in the films are joining the women's march or talking about smashing the patriarchy. They just exist as a extremely independent respected characters with complete agency over their actions that are no motivated by their gender at all. 


[quote=@tex]

I suppose a lot of this does stem from the fact that I don't have a concrete understanding of feminism. But it's like I mentioned from the start, feminism as an ideology is largely subjective as with any form of social science. I was initially going based off of what little I understood about feminism's political goals, which are very simple are hard to confuse. I mentioned this earlier, a few times, but maybe I should have been... Clearer? This is why I took the approach I did. From that perspective, one which I maintain mind you, I don't think Kill Bill should be labeled as a feminist movie
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There is some subjectivity in feminism  and it gets very divisive the 'deeper' you want to go. Much like things like Libertarian-ism (what is 'true' freedom) etc. But the basic ideas of the ideology are very straightforward and can be applied to Kill Bill. 

[i]If[/i] we are talking about feminism as in current political movements outside of fiction and media, we can all agree that Beatrix Kiddo is not a role model for women, as far in the fact I don't women or anyone else to be taking bloody revenge with a fucking samurai sword if they feel wronged. But this is completely seperate from the discussion I was having and the points I was trying to make.

Now to be clear, you have humbly admitted you know little about feminism and holding to the fact you don't Kill Bill is feminist. But me, [@Fabricant451] and the very smug [@Inkarnate] do know more about feminism than you. 


So with all do respect 1 person's opinion on a film in regards to an ideology that they don't fully understand, isn't going to hold much weight in a debate against those who do understand it. If you don't think Kill Bill is a feminist movie down to your lack of knowledge on feminism, the only thing left to do is to learn more about it. I can only make so many arguments before I'm basically just teaching a class.