[quote=@Eddie Brock]
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You know, I won't pretend to have invented the trope, but the earliest instance I can recall is me playing Detective John Grayson as a lead-in to a Robin run that never happened. Which was a big influence on my decision to take Selina that way when UDC rebooted.
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Was that the whole thing where Batman got blamed for John Grayson's murder?  Because I ran with that for a while with Dick before getting wrapped up in Titans shenanigans.