[@Inkarnate] Yes I'm very aware of that exchange. Now Xaiver Bloodbayne is one person, and lets remember that later on in that thread he aplogised for his words, you were present for that too correct? And yes, in a very short-handed way I did tell him not to treat a civil debate like an Arena roleplay. That shouldn't be confused with thinking that everyone in the Arena acts like that outside of IC, you don't actually think that do you? [quote=@Inkarnate] but I believe this was also before I tried to actively participate (two arena roleplays that did not work out that were largely my fault, by the way). I was pretty transparent how it wouldn't be received well by regulars of the section. I don't think my opinion is largely the same at this point in time. [/quote] Well thanks for being honest, but people having one or two bad experiences in this forum and then using that as a way to call this entire sub-forum toxic is pretty prejudiced and short sighted.